THE BEYOND (unofficial remake)

[ZOMBI2_1979]

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e193/zongaboy626/thebeyond.jpg


PLOT:
When Asia and Greg's parents both are murdered while returning to there car after a day of shopping they inherit there parents old house. They both decide to spend the night in the house. Upon entering the house with there friends mark James Marie and Jose they begin to sense that there is something strange coming from under the house. Everything seems fine the next day until Asia is greeted by a blind woman who tells her the story of the houses terrifying past and apocalyptic future. Asia doesn't believe a word she says bt agrees to let her and her friends to venture into the house one more time to try to rid the house of spirits by means of a seance. But everything goes horribly wrong and the completely open the portal releasing the living dead to feast on the flesh of her, her friends and the entire world! Can they stop this satanic evil? Or will they fall victim to THE BEYOND

[Dagnammit]

That's a really cool poster! This looks cool.

You should take Fulci's name off there though, because he's not involved (because he's dead) and there might be some kind of legal danger in using his name, especially as it's an "unofficial" remake.

[Pain]

Nice, have fun with it!:)

[force]

good luck! another remake, another chance... ;)

[The Blind Dead]

I love The Beyond so I'm going to be the only negative one here and say...meh. Cool poster, so so synopsis and I also agree with Dagnammit about removing Fulci's name from ANYTHING you use to promote this. Lucio has an extremely protective daughter that looks after his estate's affairs.

Good luck with the project!

[eardrumbuz]

well I'm intrigued. It's my favorite Fulci flick. I'll see it.

I do recommend you get someone to proofread your writing, though, for spelling errors and to help with content/style.

I will also agree with the above posts, Fulci's name should not appear in the title. I would go as far as to suggest coming up with an alternate title to which you could add "inspired by Lucio Fulci's The Beyond" underneath.

Keep us posted!

[ZOMBI2_1979]

OK so the script is almost done. Me and my co-writer are going to sit down and watch the original and american edit (seven doors of death). We are going to pint out things we like from them and things we dont like. Then on the second draft of the script we are going to include the things we like. We think we found our hotel for the film. The napa mill in Napa CA. It sits right on the river and has a very cool vibe to it. Suggestions are welcome!

[twitcher]

OK so the script is almost done. Me and my co-writer are going to sit down and watch the original and american edit (seven doors of death). We are going to pint out things we like from them and things we dont like. Then on the second draft of the script we are going to include the things we like. We think we found our hotel for the film. The napa mill in Napa CA. It sits right on the river and has a very cool vibe to it. Suggestions are welcome!

Just remember that the scene you don't like may be the audiences favorite scene, I learned that back when my band covered Iron Maiden songs and we took out the solos cause we couldnt play them then. supposely we ruined the songs :drinking:

[devourthesun]

Sounds cool that your doing an indy remake.

Didnt everyone get up in arms the last time someone annouced they were doing an indy remake of someones movie? like...a bruno maitte (cant spell his name) film?

just wondering.


Good luck by the way

[CRAVINMOREBRAIN]

Good luck mate.
:evil: id watch it

[ZOMBI2_1979]

new poster


http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e193/zongaboy626/Untitled-2-1.jpg

[The Blind Dead]

Sounds cool that your doing an indy remake.

Didnt everyone get up in arms the last time someone annouced they were doing an indy remake of someones movie? like...a bruno maitte (cant spell his name) film?

just wondering.


Good luck by the way
Yes, the film was Hell of the Living Dead and the director was Bruno Mattei. Personally, I love Fulci and don't believe for a second this should be "remade" in any way, shape or form. The Maestro created his films using set pieces and gore to tell his stories, not narrative. The script was never the important part of the film, the spectacle was.

This shouldn't be remade nor do I believe any indie crew can do it justice. Good luck to you guys anyhow.

P.S. You're using Frizzi's score? :roll: You should reconsider using his music.

P.P.S. Inspired ON The Classic Horror Film? Yikes typo.

[Todd Tjersland]

P.P.S. Inspired ON The Classic Horror Film? Yikes typo.

I was going to point that out, but you beat me to it. :)

[The Blind Dead]

Geez, I should also warn you that you risk legal action as well for using that Rated R symbol. Until the film is finished and officially submitted to the MPAA for rating, all of your work should read "this film not yet rated."

Reusing Fabio Frizzi's music...not smart either. I just wanted to stress that again because that kind of copyright infringement could put a lein on your wages for the next 5 years.

[devourthesun]

TBD: Looking out for indy film makers so they dont get sued and tossed in jail.

Even when he doesnt agree with what they are doing.:clap:

[ZOMBI2_1979]

ok here is the new poster.
I used a new name for the film because I dont know if I could get sued for that or not.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e193/zongaboy626/Untitled-1-5.jpg

[The Blind Dead]

TBD: Looking out for indy film makers so they dont get sued and tossed in jail.

Even when he doesnt agree with what they are doing.:clap:
*pulls up pants like Barney Fife*

Just doing my part.

ok here is the new poster.
I used a new name for the film because I dont know if I could get sued for that or not.

Hey Guy! You don't really have to change the name. Just be sure you keep some of the other things on the up and up. Using Fulci's name, Frizzi's music and the MPAA's rating symbol were the biggest concerns. No need to completely change everything.

Good luck, post stills when you get the opportunity.

[Dagnammit]

ok here is the new poster.
I used a new name for the film because I dont know if I could get sued for that or not.

One more thing. Instead of stating "Based on the movie The Beyond directed by Lucio Fulci", you should have "Written by Ethan Rogers and Nathan Dumas" immediately followed by "Inspired by the screenplay E tu vivrai nel terrore - L'aldilà by Dardano Sacchetti, Giorgio Mariuzzo and Lucio Fulci". You will need to make it clear that your film is inspired by (and not based on) the screenplay itself, because legally it is the actual original source of the story, and because you don't have the rights to make a movie based on someone else's script (while anyone is allowed to be "inspired" by something as long as you make it different enough to the original to classify as an unrelated work).

I know it sounds like I am being pedantic, but it might be important.

[Todd Tjersland]

I know it sounds like I am being pedantic, but it might be important.

You're making good sense to me! If they don't listen, that's their own fault. :loon:

[Dagnammit]

You're making good sense to me! If they don't listen, that's their own fault. :loon:

Yeah, I wish them well though. I'd rather not see the poor dudes get sued and the movie never get a release. To be honest though, I think most video distributors would want them to remove all explicit references to Fulci's movie before considering even touching it.

I loved the surreal imagery of The Beyond, but I thought the violence was too cartoonish (plastic eyeballs popping out on stalks, tarantulas made from pipe cleaning wire, etc...) and spoiled the mood. Zombie Flesh Eaters was a lot more exciting and disturbing and the violence far more shocking. Also, though I like ambiguous endings, including the one to The House by the Cemetery, the finale of The Beyond seemed too sudden and unexplained, and I felt a little let down. I know that it's most people's favourite Fulci movie, so I guess I'm probably missing something...

[Todd Tjersland]

In some ways, The Beyond is Fulci's best film, except it doesn't make any goddamn sense. But none of his films do. I don't like Zombie very much; aside from the gore, I find the film pointless, boring, and well-nigh unwatchable--same with House By The Cemetery, New York Ripper, Cat In The Brain, City of the Living Dead, etc. They all suck as far as I'm concerned, except for the over-the-top gore and Frizzi's music. I wanted to like The Beyond, I really did, but the script was a confusing mess and as for the ending--what ending? It drove me crazy! But it was the most beautifully shot of his films, I'll give you that. It had the most potential to transcend its humble gore movie roots.

It sure would be nice if Hollywood would start making original films again. It seems their creative :poo: malaise has now infected indie filmmakers, who feel compelled to follow suit...

[Dagnammit]

In some ways, The Beyond is Fulci's best film, except it doesn't make any goddamn sense. But none of his films do. I don't like Zombie very much; aside from the gore, I find the film pointless, boring, and well-nigh unwatchable--same with House By The Cemetery, New York Ripper, Cat In The Brain, City of the Living Dead, etc. They all suck as far as I'm concerned, except for the over-the-top gore and Frizzi's music. I wanted to like The Beyond, I really did, but the script was a confusing mess and as for the ending--what ending? It drove me crazy! But it was the most beautifully shot of his films, I'll give you that. It had the most potential to transcend its humble gore movie roots.


I understand what you're saying about Fulci's films being deliberately confusing and frustrating. Like you, I really, really want to be a Fulci fan, but I always come away feeling disappointed and irritated at the lack of meaning or logic in his films. I'm not saying that I expect realistic narrative from a surrealist horror movie - I love Dario Argonto's movies, which usually concentrate more on style and atmosphere than story - but I do expect some kind of internal coherence, I want the events and scenes to make sense in their own way, even if it's not conventional movie logic. But Lucio doesn't do that; he drops things into the film out of the blue, senselessly, seemingly at random, with no explaination or suggestion as to what it is all supposed to mean. The ending to City of the Living Dead is a prime example, and so is the final scene of The Beyond...

(SPOILER) Lucio once explained to an interviewer that the barren world the survivors find themselves in at the end is supposed to be some kind of sanctuary universe where they would be alone together but safe from the undead threat. Is there any mention of this in the movie? Even an oblique, metaphorical suggestion that would at least get the viewers' imagination working? NOPE! It's infuriatingly confusing.

I disagree with you, however, about Zombie Flesh Eaters. It was one of the most action packed of the early Italian zombie movies (before things got rediculous over the top with Zombie Creeping Flesh, After Death, etc.) and probably the most disturbing, IMO. It also has the closest thing to a coherent plot in a Fulci zombie movie. I love the atmosphere of decay around that island, and the sleepwalking zombies. And I love the imagery of the lone British doctor in his white safari suit, brave and intelligent but insanely trying to impose his version of order upon a situation that he has no understanding of (I'm sure the screenwriters were trying to say something about colonialism there). There were also a couple of decent actors in there among all the melodramatic Italians (Ian McCulloch and Richard Johnson). The gore effects were brutal and realistic too. Thing that really sucked for me was the zombie/shark fight - it would have been cool in a comedy horror movie like BrainDead or The Necro Files (I've not seen it, but I'm assuming), but it doesn't sit right in a movie that tries so hard to be serious.

Anyway, back on topic. I hope they do well with your movie Z0mbi2_1979. Bear in mind though, that every low budget movie faces a multitude of obstacles before it's completed, and if you're not very careful with copyright and plaigarism issues, you will only be setting up a whole lot more in your path.

[The Blind Dead]

I understand what you're saying about Fulci's films being deliberately confusing and frustrating. Like you, I really, really want to be a Fulci fan, but I always come away feeling disappointed and irritated at the lack of meaning or logic in his films. I'm not saying that I expect realistic narrative from a surrealist horror movie - I love Dario Argonto's movies, which usually concentrate more on style and atmosphere than story - but I do expect some kind of internal coherence, I want the events and scenes to make sense in their own way, even if it's not conventional movie logic. But Lucio doesn't do that; he drops things into the film out of the blue, senselessly, seemingly at random, with no explaination or suggestion as to what it is all supposed to mean. The ending to City of the Living Dead is a prime example, and so is the final scene of The Beyond...
Fulci's films didn't use linear narrative. As with many of the Italian horror films of his day, the set piece was the most important part of the film. Fulci used set pieces and spectacle to tell his stories, like a book with no words...just one picture per page. Fulci simply allowed a story to unfold using gore sequences and atmosphere. Many horror fans have a hard time following his films because they're only used to linear narrative. Fulci wasn't interested in Exposition, Conflict, Climax and Resolution.

Fulci himself called The Beyond, ”A plotless film, (with) no logic to it, just a succession of images."

I believe this applies to Gates of Hell and House by the Cemetery as well. When you watch Fulci's films with this in mind they do come to make a bit more sense.

[Todd Tjersland]

Fulci's films didn't use linear narrative. As with many of the Italian horror films of his day, the set piece was the most important part of the film. Fulci used set pieces and spectacle to tell his stories, like a book with no words...just one picture per page. Fulci simply allowed a story to unfold using gore sequences and atmosphere. Many horror fans have a hard time following his films because they're only used to linear narrative. Fulci wasn't interested in Exposition, Conflict, Climax and Resolution.

Fulci himself called The Beyond, ”A plotless film, (with) no logic to it, just a succession of images."

I believe this applies to Gates of Hell and House by the Cemetery as well. When you watch Fulci's films with this in mind they do come to make a bit more sense.

That's why so many of these films ultimately fail vs. the Romero Dead trilogy (I don't count Land of the Dead because I hated it). I may have enjoyed gory set-pieces when I was 16-years-old renting them on VHS, but at 36, without a comprehensible plot, and being as jaded as I am, there is no reason to watch these films ever again, or be bothered to seek out any I might have missed. I do make certain exceptions for films that are "so bad they're good," such as Burial Ground or The Pit, however, as the brain-dead accidental comedy and unexpected perversion give me something amusing beyond the gore--Fulci's films lack that.

I've seen and read so many in the past that I honestly don't watch a lot of horror movies or read much horror fiction anymore, preferring historical action/adventure, crime/noir, fantasy, mystery/thrillers, spaghetti westerns (which usually manage to compromise between set-pieces and halfway-logical plots), etc. Unless it deals with zombies--I have a soft spot for the ugly pusbags. Always will.

Truth be told, I think expanding my interests beyond horror over the past decade has done wonders for my writing ability. I am able to be influenced by, and draw upon, so much more material. Often, I'll find myself curled up with a non-horror movie or novel, and thinking to myself, "Man, this would be great if it were remade with zombies in it!" :lol:

[devourthesun]

I dont see anything wrong with how Fulci made his films *albeit, I've only ever seen Zombi* but using my one point of reference let me break things down.

The Conquistadors- Is there any real logical reason for them to be in the movie? No, but it works because the dead are rising, and since there isn't any attempt to explain WHY the dead are rising, It makes perfect sense that centuries old Conquistadors are rising from their graves to kill people.

Zombie vs. Shark- Umm....I cant defend this one, But it goes along with the Set pieces idea, and you cant deny that its one of the most awesome scenes in movie history. EVER.

[Todd Tjersland]

Zombie vs. Shark- Umm....I cant defend this one, But it goes along with the Set pieces idea, and you cant deny that its one of the most awesome scenes in movie history. EVER.

Oh, I can deny it. :loon: One of the stupidest scenes in movie history and entirely out of place in the film. It's my steadfast belief that it was included only to cash in on Jaws and not for artistic reasons. Not that it isn't funny... :roll: But that's how Italians made movies. Producers didn't want to hear what your movie was about, they wanted to hear what it was like, meaning what blockbuster films was it ripping-off--er, I mean "inspired" by. :doh:

[Pain]

Let's move this conversation over to the thread linked below, and leave this to our man's remake attempt.

Fulci thread (http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8641&highlight=fulci)